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Thursday, April 17th, 2008 (365 Views)
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DranoK
I'm grinning fairly evilly when I read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...y_n_97194.html

Quote:
Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process....
OK, so it's just a creative fiction project that (much like War of the Worlds) has been taken seriously by far too many people.

The ambiguity and controversy that this brings up, however, is impressive. Reading comments on Digg suggest even adamant pro-choice people are against this.

The reason for this explains why abortion is still a controversial subject after all this time. We still can't collectively decide what life is. And no, it's not as simple as you think.

You say life begins at conception--but why isn't the egg itself "alive"? Because a fertilized egg comes from two genetic donors? What if I grafted skin from my neighbor's foot onto my arm? Would it then be wrong for me to let the grafted skin grow for a week, then kill it and throw it out?

It's ambiguous. And no matter how much we think we're for or against abortion we never really sit down and critically think about things like this.

Which explains why I was grinning while reading it. I love being forced to think.

My own conclusion is that what she wrote about doing is not wrong. Disgusting, maybe--and certainly cause for psychiatric evaluation should someone actually want to do it. But not wrong. Liberty over one's own body must be defended. Without this fundamental right you get crap like the war on drugs (among other things).

I don't know when life begins No, that's not true. I know when life begins. I don't know when life matters. Certainly my skin cells aren't deserving of protection. Certainly not a zygote. Certainly not a fetus less than a few weeks old.

You simply can't punish people who do things you disagree with if they're not hurting someone. You can't pass judgment like that just because you're disgusted.
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25 Days 14 Hours ago, Ratha said...

I agree, that sounded quite disgusting to me, as a disgusting thing to hear someone might actually do i mean. I wouldnt say i could approve of it, but its not what id call wrong either, absolutely disturbing if it were it true though.

The 'what is life' argument is an interesting one, and while doctors, and people can specify a general range of what consists of 'being alive', such an organic concept though i dont think should be classified in the box. I think a baby, somewhere near 3/4 the way through its development process in an egg/womb is morally questionable to terminate, but i would be pro-choice for women. Its their body, they have to live with their choice and their body afterwords whichever way they go.

25 Days 8 Hours ago, noggin said...

Life Begins AT: ____________

24 Days 22 Hours ago, Darth Druka said...

seriously. women go through the thing their whole life so i dont feel men should be able to say what is allowed and not allowed for her to do. While yes her man, or what not should have a say in the matter it by no means be an choice done in quick circumstances.

also life may begin as soon as it is in the womans body but when it begins to matter is the real question there.

24 Days 21 Hours ago, noggin said...

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Originally Posted by Darth Druka View Post
seriously. women go through the thing their whole life so i dont feel men should be able to say what is allowed and not allowed for her to do. While yes her man, or what not should have a say in the matter it by no means be an choice done in quick circumstances.

also life may begin as soon as it is in the womans body but when it begins to matter is the real question there.
Cliff Notes:
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24 Days 19 Hours ago, Colonel_Lance said...

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Originally Posted by Darth Druka View Post
seriously. women go through the thing their whole life so i dont feel men should be able to say what is allowed and not allowed for her to do.
To me that makes absolutely no sense. That's like saying that murderers are the only ones that experience killing people so only they should be able to decide on the punishment.

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Originally Posted by noggin View Post
Cliff Notes:
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Great one btw Noggin, I laughed pretty hard.

21 Days 22 Hours ago, Jeffe said...

Well, I'm gonna laugh when some pro-lifer leaves her w/ an exit wound the size of the Holland Tunnel.

21 Days 21 Hours ago, DeathCharms said...

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Well, I'm gonna laugh when some pro-lifer leaves her w/ an exit wound the size of the Holland Tunnel.
Over a fake project? Seems rash.

21 Days 20 Hours ago, DranoK said...

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Originally Posted by Jeffe View Post
Well, I'm gonna laugh when some pro-lifer leaves her w/ an exit wound the size of the Holland Tunnel.
Why the fuck would you laugh at someone being murdered?

20 Days 23 Hours ago, Ratha said...

I suspect that he was talking about making her carry one to term, since a pro-lifer would probably be slightly against killing.

20 Days 22 Hours ago, DranoK said...

You'd think. And yet the intersection between "pro-life" people and those in favor of the death penalty is alarmingly large.


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